Archive for August, 2009

Creation Math – The Flood and Reforming of the Earth

Posted in Religion, Reviews/Analysis, Science/Technology with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , on 2009/08/11 by darkshrouds

I had to do the calculations on this picture. I couldn’t resist.

From SSACON2009

Ok, here are the assumptions. The global flood lasted 1 year and 10 days or 375 days or 9000 hours. (From Gen 7.11 and Gen 8.14) Now, this is why creationist shouldn’t use figures. Because math is their downfall.

Science tells us that Pangaea was formed about 180 Million years ago. Now, I have scoured the Internet trying to find the relative speeds of the continents and such and haven’t been able to find them. However, it is known that the average movement of continents are about 2-7 cm per year (Kanamori, Hiroo & Emily E. Brodsky. “The Physics of Earthquakes.” Physics Today. (June 2001): 34.) This does not mean that the rates were not slower or faster in the past. They were from data we already have. India moved around 15 cm per year when colliding with Asia and some portions today move around 1 cm per year – North Atlantic. The average does however give a reasonable way to calculate the speed for these purposes.

What I’ve done. I’ve taken 2 cm per year, multiplied by 180 Million years, then divided by 32400000 seconds to determine just how fast the continents would have to go, at a minimum, during the flood. It comes out to 1.11 meters per second. If we take the faster of 7 cm per year, we end up with 3.89 meters per second.

Lets up this into perspective. This states that the plates on the earth were moving at least 2.5 to 8.7 miles per hour! Still not going crazy? Ok, I’m sure everyone has taken a bath. If you have ever put your hands at the bottom of the tub and moved them quickly away, you notice there is a sink where your hands used to be. Or perhaps you know what a tsunami is? They occur when earth reforms underwater. The movement here would have created huge sink holes and with respect to the large mountain ranges of the world, rises in the ocean along with large underwater currents. The large waves would have demolished any boat, ark, or vessel on the water because the seas would have been too high just by rocking the boat back and forth. The underwater currents would have created large currents going from the bottom all the way to the top.

One last comment here. Let us compare some easy rates. The fastest continent movement we have recorded is 15 cm per year (that I have found). The slowest in creationist theory is 1.11 meters per second or 35,004,960 meters per year. That is off by a factor of 23,336,640,000% and yes that is in BILLIONS of percent! That is effective of saying that effective of saying that the diameter of Jupiter is .61 meters and that if you want to get to Jupiter it is merely a car drive away, about 4 km at Jupiter and Earth’s farthest distance (928,081,020 km). It is effective of saying that the ENTIRE MILKY WAY GALAXY will fit WITH ROOM TO SPARE in the average orbit of Neptune! (Milky way galaxy number 4,070,851,673 km diameter with Neptune’s average orbit of 4,498,252,900 km).

Look, I am a calm and nice person generally. This is however complete crap. I won’t argue against creationism because your brain must be just too dense to understand basic math and analysis if you hold to it. I will ridicule and mock and laugh and treat creationist as children, because that’s what they are, children. They are children who need to be told that Santa Clause isn’t real, there aren’t fairies in the garden, there is no invisible man in the sky watching over them, and they aren’t better off believing in it.

Hope you all enjoyed!

Isaac Mills

The “Museum” and The Adventure

Posted in Personal, Religion, Reviews/Analysis, Science/Technology with tags , , , , , , , , , on 2009/08/10 by darkshrouds

I have given money to Ken Ham, and I got a great laugh for the comedy. The “museum” was very amusing and I took pictures to document the occasion. I shall attempt to give a small, mini-tour.

The first movement through the area leads into the Grand Canyon. We see two palaeontologists digging up a dinosaur fossil and the theme of the “museum” begins. “It is all about our starting points,” is the overall theme. “We come to different conclusions, because of how we look at the evidence.”

From SSA2009

The scientist point of view states the fossilization process and such. The creationist states that it was rapid burial during the global flood. There are basic problems with this. On the surface, both theories could be correct with no evidence and just a fossil. However, we have dating of the fossil and surrounding rock, along with no evidence for a global flood means that the creationist theory can not be correct. This is why it is rejected. Creation science is actually incorrect, it is creation conjecture with no basis, no evidence, and no reason.

Here are some while blurry, correctly displayed science photos.

From SSA2009

And here is the creationist alternative.

From SSA2009
From SSA2009

Now, just some funny stuff. The world only goes back to 4004 BC? So 5500 BC when agriculture starts in Egypt is false, Catalhoyuk, an ancient neolithic city (7500 BC-5700 BC) is false, and the creation of beer in Sumeria and Babylonia prior to 6000 BC is false. This is what is know as ridiculous, yet this is actually being taught as science. This is not science. It is blatant lies.

Here’s one that is ridiculous creation funny.

From SSACON2009

So, the blue line you see is the flood. This happened around 2348 BC if I read my pictures correctly, or at least close to there.

Here is some more hilarious stuff. The flood is of course like this.

From SSACON2009

All the coal the coal in the world – coal seam – if from tree bark that fell in the great flood.

From SSACON2009

Dinosaurs are vegetarians.

From SSACON2009

Another depressing part was the portion where the question was asked, “What happens when you let atheism or a world without the bible exist?”

Here is The Door as it was know. It is what you would be doing to stay safe from the evil in the world.

From SSA2009

There was a continent called Rodinia, then the flood, with Pangaea and then the current continents, then the flood was over.

From SSACON2009

And last but not least, Religion gives good stuff and secularism the bad stuff.

From SSA2009
From SSA2009

I shall post my review of Jason Lisle’s lecture later as I am still writing it. I was, for lack of a better phrase, a painful, horrible experience when an astrophysicist talks mostly about genetics upon which he does not properly understand.

Until next time I shall ride off into the sunset on Sarah (see picture below),

Isaac Mills

Sarah, my trusty triceratops. Yes, you are seeing correctly, I decided to take this picture side-saddle (and the dinosaur has a saddle – they teach that humans and dinosaurs co-existed at the same time).

From SSA2009

PS. To the lovely woman who made the armbands, thanks again! Everyone, this is only a portion of the pictures. I have over 120 pictures. Thanks go out to Clark as well for letting me take some of his pictures that were of better quality!

Travel Day and Theists

Posted in Uncategorized with tags , , , , on 2009/08/08 by darkshrouds

I’ve begun my flight to Houston and will be there shortly, then a transfer to get me to Columbus. While I’m sure I will be exhausted, I’m gong to gear up and make sure to be ready for the tour tomorrow. I hope to get at least 3-5 hours of sleep.

However, I digress as, I don’t wish to cover my dull day of transfers but the detriment of the religiously inclined. The mental wound that I am speaking of is the religious and their firm belief that their version of general sect is correct without question, without proof and without analysis. This assertion to give them a method to rationalize the events of this natural world and a way to live on after their being ceases to exists.

A majority of mankind wishes to believe in a higher power or something to explain why things happen, however, we are restrained in our explanations by our common sense and observations. Science covers why things rise and fall, chemical reactions, growth, how to heal, how to kill, etc and for the events and occurrences in the world, they happen because of natural causes and they events are random. Random in the sense of natural disasters, disease, etc, not my toast is done because I put it in the toaster. Religious people state that these events, such as people coming into your life, a good job, happiness in your home, etc, come from God or something similar. There is no proof of this. You might as well as claim the Cookie Dough Dragon is watching over you and breathed himself into existence. You must eat of his dough and drink of his blood (milk) to not be cast into the stale bread at the end of days. This is seen as ridiculous. However, this is exactly what Christians follow. Accept Christ or go to hell. We let our common sense tell us that the Cookie Dough Dragon is bogus, why hold onto Christianity or any religion? Just because some cattle-sacrificing primitives believe that this book was correct and the word of God, doesn’t mean that you, a rational, thinking human being has to buy into it.

God is not dead because God was never alive. God has never existed except in the eyes of people who instead of seeing the world rationally and objectively, analysing what comes their way and actually thinking about their conclusions, desire a simple explanation to the troubles of the world, want comfort for themselves and others when loved ones pass on, and want comfort that things will be alright when they look bad.

This is not necessarily a bad want, however, it has caused a false construction of reality. To believe in adult fairy tales because it makes you feel better is not intellectually honest. I wish, as Jefferson did, that one day we shall shelve our beliefs that a story of a man who was born of a virgin will be placed on the shelves of our libraries with the myths of Zeus, Baal and all the others already there and yet to be.

Isaac Mills

Creation “Museum” Trip

Posted in Personal, Religion, Science/Technology with tags , , , , , , , , , on 2009/08/06 by darkshrouds

Just to let anyone who is reading this know. I’m heading out to the SSA – Secular Students Association – conference in Columbus, Ohio tomorrow to be there in time for Friday. Friday is the tour of the Creation Museum by Ken Ham. It is debatable if you can call it a museum, and I’m going to be rolling in laughter – internally and then externally upon exiting the museum. I’ll upload some pictures and comments once I return. About 200 of use will be attending, including PZ Myers and a whole slew of the godless.

For those who don’t know, this “museum” is all about creationism and intelligent design. We can see the Ultimate Proof of Creationism on the day we go, and I’m debating if I wish to subject myself to possible torture. If you are attending and haven’t seen PZ’s recommended preparation video, you can watch it by clicking here. I could only make it through two portions before I couldn’t handle more. I must improve my tolerance before Friday morning. I believe it is possible.

Hoping to see the swarm there!

Isaac Mills

Religion is Useless

Posted in Personal, Religion with tags , , , , , , , , , , , on 2009/08/06 by darkshrouds

I’ve been hearing the argument after I have dismantled the arguments made from the creationists that seem to propagate the streets here that one can not judge a belief system by its assumptions or its works. Now, I have taken apart creationism in the realms of their own book, cosmology, evolution, abiogenesis, and generally any topic brought up. Once they are beat back they resort to this argument.

I am posting now to dismantle it completely; however I’m going to touch base on the general of the previous topics. Now, I’ve covered abiogenesis already, I’m not doing so again. It takes too long to retype and cut and paste the basics. I assume that one can read and that they can make use of such faculties. Evolution has DNA, fossil and considerable multitudes of evidence. To state that it did not happen or that the facts show a creator is to be either naïve or just a plain ignoramus. The fossil tree of life matches the DNA tree of life without alteration and without interpolation. Fused chromosomes and genetic anomalies can be predicted as we predicted that we as humans have a fused chromosome in comparison with apes.

Onto cosmology, which does not state that the universe began at the Big Bang, but that we can observe the universe to this condensed point at which a rapid expansion happened. The universe could have existed before the singularity, however, we are unable to determine what was prior to 10^-37 seconds prior because we enter a stage where no data can be obtained.

Once disarmed of these “scientific” debates, the point is raised of Stalin and those evil dictators that killed for atheism. It is a failure of understanding as they did not kill for atheism, but for power and control. These dictators were Statists in the sense that the State was to be worshiped and revered. When you return this with the Inquisition, the Crusades, the militant attacks of other religions, the people who believe that when they kill people, they will see Jesus in heaven, and the like, the atheist will be told they can’t do this.

Now why this double standard? Because religion is useless. Prayers get answered but not always the way requested, not at all or you have to squint real hard for it. Devoting time to saving souls is better than devoting time to your local soup kitchen, working on human rights, or doing something to help others. Religion gives nothing to us but division, wars, hatred, bigotry, and truly, a good portion of evil. Science has given us technology including televisions, planes, cars, vaccines, medicine, air conditioning, refrigeration, irrigation, space flight, cameras, improved food, computers, radio, construction, electricity, and so much more. Over 1000 years and religion has given nothing to society except a ritual that people can participate in and science has given us longer lives and better ones at that.

Religion is useless. It gives nothing of merit. If it makes you feel better that an invisible man is watching over you and helping you every day, go right ahead and believe so. Just expect that I’m going to laugh when you try to tell me that it is true and that I just have to seek him truly with my heart and soul. Telling yourself the great adult fairy tale may be nice, but doesn’t make it any more true. If delusion makes you feel better, that is your choice; however, kindly keep those delusions to yourself.

I’m tired of this argument as not only does it hold up to scrutiny, it also has no merit. Because if your religion is shown to be false, then why follow it at all. All religions fail essentially on a majority of scientifically proven theories and data. Therefore, why follow any religion. Put those fairy tale stories from the bronze and iron ages on the shelves where they belong and think for yourselves. And theists, stop asking why an atheist laughs when you make these statements.

Isaac Mills